# The Archdruid Report

Druid perspectives on nature, culture, and the future of industrial society

## Sunday, May 21, 2017

### A brief announcement....

As promised earlier, I have some announcements to make about my future blogging. My new blogging platform is mostly up and running at www.ecosophia.net, and I plan on starting regular posts there around the summer solstice. I’ve also established an account on the social media site Dreamwidth at ecosophia.dreamwidth.org. The main site will get substantial essays, at least one of them a month; the Dreamwidth account will feature book reviews, announcements of new publications, wry commentary on fatuous media articles, and other shorter bits.
While my blogs always tend to have a mind of their own, and head off in directions I don’t expect, my intention is to focus from here on out on a theme I’ve discussed only in passing here and on The Archdruid Report: the emergence of a new fusion of ecology and religion in our time, not simply as an abstract worldview but as a way of life and a system, or system-of-systems, of spiritual and esoteric practice.
I make no apologies for that change of focus, though I know some of my readers will not find it to their taste. Over the eleven years I spent writing weekly posts on The Archdruid Report, I said pretty much everything I can think of saying about the decline and fall of industrial civilization; over the few years that I’ve spent doing monthly posts on The Well of Galabes, I’ve sketched out some of the foundations on which I plan to build as we proceed—and now it’s time to move on.
I do have more to say about some of the topics touched, peripherally or otherwise, in the course of eleven years of blogging; among other things, I’m looking for a print or online periodical that would be interested in hosting further discussions of politics and culture in late imperial America from my jaundiced and idiosyncratic perspective—but we’ll see whether anything comes of that. In the meantime, there’s much to be said about getting out from under the crackpot fantasy of Man the Conqueror of Nature and relearning how to live as part of the Earth’s biotic community, and I propose to say some of it.
Please note the following, though: as of the end of June, both my previous blogs will be going away. The posts on The Well of Galabes will be hosted as a read-only archive on my new site; the posts here on The Archdruid Report will be going offline permanently—though they’ll be available soon in a complete ten-volume published edition, in print and e-book forms, from Founders House Publishing. Thank you all for reading my blogs, and stand by for the next giddy leap into new territory!

#### 97 comments:

Jon said...

  Thank you Mr. Greer. I've read every post you've made over the last 11 years. And I was distraught when you announced the end of my favorite weekly read. I just happened to click here from my bookmarks just now. Ecosophia is a great name Going into my bookmarks now and I wait with eager anticipation your posts.

  5/21/17, 12:11 PM
Anders said...

  Interesting, I will surely follow yor new blog.
  Sure time we get in Contact with nature and our selves and become stewards instead of destroyers. I love the pre christian attitude here in Sweden when you say "wath out, I,m going to pee" Before you let it out. With that attitude we would not be in the mess we are.

  5/21/17, 12:18 PM
susan said...

  Delighted! It's very good news knowing your return is immanent. I agree there's little further need to discuss the particulars of our current circumstances.
  All the best - and yes, I have bookmarked ecosophia.

  5/21/17, 12:43 PM
Robert Gillett said...

  I celebrate your choice of topics. We will all be struggling to find meaning and sound direction in the years ahead. Thanks for keeping it real.

  5/21/17, 1:36 PM
James Gemmill said...

  The Archdruid Report is not long for this earth?! Well! This is sad state of affairs, although I'd guess it's just another example of "all goods things must come to an end..."
  At least it prompted me to seriously pursue getting an escape pod ready, in the form of a sailboat.
  That, and it provided exposure to Into The Ruins and Mythic, so I guess you could say it's had a pretty good life.

  5/21/17, 2:09 PM
Katrin M said...

  Looking forward to your new blog and website.

  5/21/17, 2:16 PM
John Michael Greer said...

  Jon, you're welcome and thank you!
  Anders, fascinating. Mind you, the plants are probably happy to get the extra nitrates!
  Susan, glad to hear it.
  Robert, thank you. To my mind that's where the rubber really meets the road at this point, if you'll pardon a distinctly un-ecological metaphor!
  James, er, I announced that back in March! I hope you'll drop by the new blog from time to time, too. ;-)
  Katrin, thank you.

  5/21/17, 2:27 PM
Justin said...

  JMG, would you be particularly bothered if a third party hosted an Archdruid Report archive with full credit given to the responsible parties?
  In any case I will be glad to see you returning to blogworld.

  5/21/17, 2:40 PM
Dandy said...

  I've deeply missed your Reports. It is a pleasure to read the thoughts of such an incredibly well educated, and well read, man on almost any topic. I think I'm particularly excited by your new direction, though. I'm glad Well of Galabas will be preserved as I've not read much of it and having recently become a Druid, I'm looking forward to it. Best of luck in your new venture, although I'm sure you'll succeed admirably on your own merits!

  5/21/17, 2:44 PM
Ruben said...

  Oh my word! The archives are disappearing?
  This will break dozens of links just on my own website, let alone across the internet. Say it ain't so!

  5/21/17, 2:55 PM
SaintS said...

  Have loved your blog for ... oh.. five or so years now and will endeavour to follow and chase down your views you wherever. However, I am not sure your are doing the right thing (and I am saying this as a pro'). I fear that you will lose time in buidling up a fresh audience. Tant pis Archdruiud and all the best. Robert , Glasgow, Scotland

  5/21/17, 2:59 PM
Repent said...

  Thrilled that your coming back, whatever the topic you choose to write on. You are a gifted writer and one of the great minds of our times. I'm hoping the new format will preserve the comment section that you've had on this site. I always read the comments afterwards and they add insight from different vantage points to the content of your essays.
  I love the debate you had with Chris Martensen, Howard Kunstler, Dmitri Orlov, and others recently. Hopefully more live interview content and appearances will follow as well.
  Good luck with your new beginning !

  5/21/17, 5:50 PM
Third Chimp said...

  I've been following along since 2007 or so, when I left my engineering job in response to peak oil, mostly, and started to try to live lighter and more in tune with ecology. Always, there has been a weekly missive of yours to look forward to; we have never despaired with the harder path we chose, but teachings and wisdoms (its the right word) of the kind you proffered are hard to come by and are both validating and sustaining for such as us. I congratulate and salute you at the point of this new beginning. Its sounds both promising and and exciting, not least because this is where I also feel the strongest pull of learning. See you in the new place.

  5/21/17, 6:27 PM
foodnstuff said...

  Will certainly be looking forward to the next giddy leap, but disappointed you won't keep this blog up as an archive. There are plenty of people coming along who will need to read this stuff as an introduction.

  5/21/17, 7:08 PM
Avery said...

  I think The Archdruid Report truly ended at a moment of transition for the world situation -- you were the first person to notice many things which are now readily apparent to much of the news-reading world. 10 years from now we won't be so worried about broken links, I don't think. And spirituality is probably a worthy project to be refocusing on at this point. Looking forward to the new insights and discussions!

  5/21/17, 7:15 PM
Mr. Sunshine said...

  John, I discovered your archdruid blog in 2010 and it remains the only blog I ever went back and read in its entirety from start to finish, which wasn't easy on blogger. I'll look forward to the hard copy version. Thanks for all your effort and for sharing your insights over all the years.

  5/21/17, 8:37 PM
Art Deco said...

  JMG
  I am sorry to hear that TAR is officially over ... even though I think we all knew that it was coming. Thank you for ten years worth of "writing worth the reading".
  While you have never indicated any desire to be "mainstream", I do hate to see your obvious talents disappear into the fetid swamp of alternative religious writings on the internet.
  Earth centered spiritually will probably become rather "mainstream", but I don't think I or anyone alive today will be around long enough to see that. Perhaps in a century or so, unless the collapse of Western Civilization is much faster and bloodier than expected...
  One thing that all dark ages seem to have in common is a loss of mass literacy and that can happen very fast - once Amazon kills the last independent bookseller and the ad supported internet dies and takes out Amazon, Facebook, and Google, literacy could easily disappear in a couple of generations. Perhaps not, perhaps one of my descendants will rediscover your work in the equivalent of an Irish monastery in the second Renaissance (around 2317 AD ?).
  May whatever deities that still exist (Sky, Sea, and Stone at least) lend you inspiration, flexibility, and strength.
  Art Deco

  5/21/17, 9:22 PM
n00bmind said...

  Really sad to see this blog go, to me this is one of the best voices of the internet without a doubt..
  Isn't it possible to submit the content for archiving to the Internet Archive or something similar?

  5/22/17, 1:03 AM
default options said...

  Thank you so much for all your writing - I'm looking forward to reading your new blog. I'll be sad to see the archdruidreport taken down - though quite a bit of it seems to be available on the web archive (formerly the wayback machine).
  https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com

  5/22/17, 1:20 AM
con-science said...

  The direction you are heading actually is more fitting to my taste than the decline of the industrial civilization, so I am looking forward to your new posts.

  5/22/17, 1:40 AM
MXJ said...

  Eagerly anticipating following you into new territory JMG. And having a print anthology of the last decade's journey on my shelf. One question: Can we expect practical advice/pointers on how to live, going forward?

  5/22/17, 1:50 AM
Justin Patrick Moore said...

  Congratulations on what you have accomplished with this blog Jon. I look forward to the new direction of your future projects. There are only so many ways to beat an empty oil drum. Your background makes the new direction a perfect fit for you. Thanks for everything you have done here in writing and in the creation of community.

  5/22/17, 5:33 AM
Hubertus Hauger said...

  I found the time listening to your „representations“ of the world exhilarating and inspiring. I enjoyed to consider it and exchange thoughts. Please have my gratitude!

  5/22/17, 11:51 AM
Shane W said...

  Add my name to the chorus of those agreeing that it is a fitting time to close the chapter of the ADR, and regular commentary on the decline of industrial civilization, and move on to other pastures. I agree with your goals in ecosophia, and share them in my heart as well.
  JMG, for those of us who have religiously snatched up all your books b/c they provided an archive of the ADR (I often thought of this blog as an old-fashioned serial for your books), is there much in the ten volume work that isn't covered in your other books? Seems like you mentioned that Collapse Now and Avoid the Rush had a lot of posts that weren't in your other books. Don't get me wrong, I like getting your books, but it does seem like a ten volume printed archive would duplicate a lot of your published work starting with The Long Descent.

  5/22/17, 5:01 PM
Shane W said...

  Honestly, as I've been watching what passes for our national discourse and simultaneously religiously avoiding talking politics w/darn near everyone anymore, it really is all over but the shouting, isn't it? And now, here you are, validating that by closing down the ADR. Serendipity...

  5/22/17, 5:04 PM
Shane W said...

  I must say, I'd be very excited for you if you decide (or are in the process) to expatriate...

  5/22/17, 5:05 PM
LunarApprentice said...

  Hello JMG. [First part of 2]
  For your restarting blog, there is, of course, still a whole mess of topics to be examined…
  Off the git go, I am absolutely floored that this whole Russia-did-it meme, and Trump-is-virtually-a-Russian-stooge has any traction. This is a transparently manufactured crisis, and I can’t see why this isn’t obvious to all. While I understand that opinion polls do in fact show the public mostly isn’t buying it, every one in my circle swallows this stuff hook, line and sinker. My circle consists wholly of Hillary supporters, so it would be the “deplorables” who haven’t drank the kool-aid. What can this demonization campaign on Russia, Putin and even Trump by the US establishment possibly signify? How confident were the PTB that this media campaign wouldn’t backfire and undermine the public’s (or at least the Hillary Muppets’) faith in the credibility of the MSM? Are they attempting fill the public mind space with a red herring that distracts the public with any excuse to avoid examining the Hillary fail, which might lead to basic questions about whose interests she really represents, or what? Somehow I get the sense the PTB must have known they were taking a gamble, but felt panicked or desperate, and that some big disruption of some sort or another might be at hand.
  A year or two ago, you posted a piece on “Bracing for impact”, noting that decline can be punctuated by events or crises of the Black Swan variety that basically reveal to anyone with eyes that the status quo just went up in smoke. Your take seemed to be that some “impact” was lurking out there. Much later, I inferred from something you wrote (can’t recall what) that your thinking has walked back from this view. Personally, I feel like there is something big in the asteroid belt, on some eccentric orbit crossing ours, but I can’t imagine what’s going to happen… I can’t help but recall the Orlovian (as in Dmitry) economic/social collapse in Argentina, 2001. Precious little has been written about that, and I wonder if you think that event suggests anything about our possible future.

  5/22/17, 5:14 PM
LunarApprentice said...

  [Part ii]
  On another topic, I’m getting the feeling that personal physical security is becoming more and more relevant. Several years ago, as I was walked from my clinic to my car, a group of 3 or 4 young men (same race as me, caucasian) about 100 feet away, noticed me and began shouting some menacing epithets. They didn’t actually accost me, they just hurled some verbal abuse and that was the end of it. My sense was this was class-based hostility, and the experience made a big impression on me. I felt they would have strung me up on a lamp-post if they had a rope and thought they could get away with it. My response has been to dress down (redneck lite) as a form of social camouflage, while, I hope, also not marking myself as a potential target for law-enforcement, who can be even more dangerous. I have given thought to firearms, but haven’t really taken action on this; I do have a 22 cal rifle which I obtained back when to hunt small game. I haven’t gone so far as to obtain a concealed/carry permit and pack iron. I’m far from certain that would be an optimal form of self-defense anyway, as it is only an option to use/threaten deadly force, which would be hard to justify in most situations. So maybe a “walking stick” or “trek pole” that is in reality a fighting staff might be more practical. Many traditional martial arts cover the staff; Systema, the indigenous martial art of Russia, looks particularly interesting. Still, studying/practicing any martial art is no small thing. The sling is a potentially useful weapon should one need defense-at-a-distance as in 2001 Argentina; the book “The Sling For Sport and Survival” by Cliff Savage is an intriguing read, as it appears that with the sling, you develop instinctive aim, which can be extremely accurate, and reportedly, can be developed rapidly by just about anybody. My wife, like all good liberals it seems, views the topic of self defense as suspect at best. To her, it seems the only legitimate self defense is a cell-phone and maybe a good pair of running shoes.
  So JMG, do your muses incline you to meditate and write upon self-defense? I recall you’ve mentioned that you will never discuss personal firearms on your blog for the understandable reason that you don’t want to launch fireworks indoors. But maybe you might reconsider a way to approach this?… I thought your Retrotopia piece on the drone shooting competition, and related scholarly remarks, e.g. the MASER, were deft ways of handling one very dicey topic.

  5/22/17, 5:14 PM
Justin said...

  JMG, fun collapse story: On CBC today there was an interview with a cardiologist in Alabama who was talking about drug shortages. The drug in question is sodium bicarbonate. Because only Pfizer makes medical sodium bicarbonate they basically manufacture it at their leisure.
  I'm not quite sure whether the medical bicarbonate is taken orally or intravenously, but one hopes that someone hooks those patients up with say, laboratory grade bicarbonate - and failing that, Arm and Hammer.

  5/22/17, 6:24 PM
peakfuture said...

  "At least it prompted me to seriously pursue getting an escape pod ready, in the form of a sailboat."
  Quidnon (quidnon.blogspot.com), or something more traditional?
  JMG, you've been a beacon of calm comment and reflection (with a good dose of humor!) in a crazy world. Looking forward to whatever comes.

  5/22/17, 8:12 PM
Wendy Crim said...

  I missed you! Excited to hear about the changes. Can't wait to get my hands on the ten volumes- I prefer books to screens. Can't wait for the new platform(s). Thanks for letting us know. Hope all is well with you.

  5/22/17, 8:42 PM
Cathy McGuire said...

  The new blog looks good and I'm excited to hear about a new writing contest in the works! :-) I will definitely miss this blog and all the wonderful posts and comments... I hope most of the commenters will migrate over to the new blog! Thanks for continuing to work so hard to connect us up with ideas and inspiration!

  5/22/17, 8:58 PM
Rhisiart Gwilym said...

  Thanks for your truly extraordinary contributions to contemporary thought, JM. I shall, of course, be following and spreading news of your work on your new blogs. Parch dwys. Cadwch yn mynd, brawd!

  5/23/17, 5:13 AM
Trmist said...

  Dear JMG,
  Thank you for so much wonderful writing. Your weekly essays were one of the highlights to my week for many years. Its only been a couple months but I miss your weekly essays. I cherished the original perspective you gave analyzing the events of the day and the historical wisdom you provided addressing the larger problems and predicaments we face as a civilization. I'm grateful that I stumbled on to you work all those years ago.
  All the best,
  TRMIST

  5/23/17, 8:26 AM
Birdie said...

  Delighted to hear you will be up and running soon at your new site! I've missed your weekly column. Also very happy to know that there will be the ten volumes available- hard copy works best for my eyes.
  I look forward again to reading. the thoughtful comments that have been an integral part of your blog. Very uncommon on most blogs!

  5/23/17, 8:44 AM
Macando said...

  Looking forward to reading and supporting Ecosophia, JMG

  5/23/17, 9:41 AM
Patricia Mathews said...

  ....and thanks for all the fish. I'll miss the old ADR and its highlights on today's outrages & absurdities, but welcome the new blog and am looking forward to reading both ecosophias.
  A side note of interest and amusement - 30 years ago, David Brin predicted the rise of new ecological-based religions among the youth of 2038, as well as a shifting focus in the mainstream. One quote (from memory, but this is the gist of it) "These days the Virgin Mary takes a serious interest in planetary health."
  Alas, the alternative religions were done rather badly, though I can see his female-run Gaian faith becoming your priestesshood somewhere down the road.
  Also alas, he averted crisis by pulling a techno-rabbit out of the hat, being unable to envision any other outcome - even though the people in his novel had all, by and large, done exactly what Brin thought should be done. A quote from much younger columnist/author Rebecca Solnit seems appropriate here, "It isn't a fact universally acknowledged that a person who mistakes his opinion for truth may also mistake himself for God." Which in my private correspondence with a close friend I now call "Brin's Disease."
  Anyway, I'll be hitting your new blogs with some regularity.
  Hasta la vista! Pat

  5/23/17, 10:41 AM
Brian Cady said...

  Thanks, John Michael, for sharing your brilliant thinking on this blog over these past years.

  5/23/17, 12:00 PM
Mr. Bystander said...

  JMG- I've enjoyed your blog thoroughly. You've opened my eyes to many different topics throughout the years. I very much look forward to your new blog and have already bookmarked the site.
  All the best.

  5/23/17, 1:35 PM
Jonathan Eells said...

  Changes this momentous require ritual! I'm thinking of something like the Mayan 52 year cycle of BURN EVERYTHING, combined with an Irish wake, and attended by all the Einherjar (who are chasing that bloody big snake, a wolf, and a half-decent looking hottie around with axes).
  I'm good for a couple cases of tequila and the relevant accessories. If nobody else wants to do this, then I'm just gonna drink it all on my own. Add some bellowing. No pressure.
  Fair Winds and Following Seas on your new adventure, good sirrah! I'll be following you over, of course. See you soon.

  5/23/17, 2:22 PM
Christophe said...

  John Michael, a bound set of Archdruid Report posts will be a welcome replacement to my awfully heavy set on printer paper. My only regret in the blog disappearing is that I will never get to go back to read through all the comments, watching their tone and nature change over the course of time as the depth and rigor of your mystery initiation by correspondence worked its magic. You have already had a profound impact on so many lives by teaching people how to think and showing how what passes for thought is so often its antithesis.
  Congratulations on having meticulously laid the groundwork necessary for us to stand in the void left by the crumbling philosophies and religions of our age in order to build and strengthen the nascent value systems of the future we have so foolishly ordered up. I can think of no richer goal than guiding people out of the distorting hall of mirrors of progressive humanism, where our grandiose man-made reflections cast us always as gods or demons, out into the clarity of the natural world, where our rare reflections in the eyes of a predator or as a tiny dot on the vast blue surface of a still lake invariably remind us how puny we must appear to the demons and gods surrounding us.
  I hope you will complete the analysis you started of philosophy, as a way of placing ecosophy in an historic context. Laying down cherished but antiquated values so that we can embrace ones better adapted to our current environment will surely be more successful if we are aware how regularly that has happened throughout human history and how resistant the passing culture has been to that needed change. Despite that resistance, I bet you will bring the term ecosophy into much broader use, as you already have done with archdruid, dissensus, catabolysis, thaumaturgy, and so many other terms.
  The cover art of An Archdruid's Tales is a beautiful piece of ecosophic iconography. The discarded cars are no longer central symbols of decline and collapse, but merely balanced sacramental offerings in the cathedral of the natural world. Long live the world tree; may her roots grow deep and strong!

  5/23/17, 5:25 PM
Nancy Sutton said...

  Ahoy! And so... onwards, and... er, round and round
  :) Glad to 'have' you back ... ox

  5/23/17, 9:38 PM
Spanish fly said...

  Good luck, Mr. Greer.

  5/24/17, 1:09 AM
Mister Roboto said...

  Well, I guess everything that can be said about the decline of industrial society really has been said, and in the meantime, what's left of it is just barely chugging along by essentially eating itself. I'm pretty sure that all these gimmicks that amount to fancy forms of money-printing designed to stave off the next economic dislocation-event will just make this event that much more harsh when it finally does happen. So that's why I hope there will be at least some commentary on current events on your new blog when salient things start happening.
  Beyond that, I agree with Shane W that we have recently entered into an Age of Special Crapulence (seriously, that is how I plan on remembering 2016 and 2017 in the future) in which anything I have to say to what passes for the social, political, and economic conversation these days is best said with my extended middle finger.

  5/24/17, 3:28 AM
Luckymortal said...

  I feel like there should be a retirement party for a blog that has greatly shaped my worldview and thinnking over the last decade. Moreover, it is often the resource I point people to who have come to a place of eco-despair, need to process, think through the situation deeply, and figure out what yet can be done. Congratulations on this monumental accomplishment. And thank you.

  5/24/17, 5:13 AM
Esn said...

  Mr. Greer, I don't suppose you could be persuaded to remove only the contents of your own posts, but keep an archive of the discussions that those posts sparked (which could then later be found by readers of the collected print edition)? I found the community that grew up here, and some of the things that were written in response to your posts (as well as your own replies to them), quite fascinating, and I feel it would be a shame for all of that to permanently disappear.

  5/24/17, 5:35 AM
Jon from Virginia said...

  Since your new topic is "the emergence of a new fusion of ecology and religion in our time" --perhaps you could cover Joel Salatin's newest book, The Marvelous Pigness of Pigs: Respecting and Caring for All God's Creation. I couldn't follow it very well, it being a Christian apologia for ecological grass farming. Salatin is both America's most famous farmer and a Biblical literalist.
  I wonder if there is a "rule of three" here, a third book to go with your Mystery Teachings and Salatin's book that I should know of.

  5/24/17, 7:37 AM
Sisko Hirvi said...

  Thank you Mr Greer! I have thoroughly enjoyed and deeply appreciated your reasoning and expressiveness and learnedness during the seven years I have followed your blog. I am very excited about the direction you will go with the new blog and look forward to the inspiration and practical advice you always offer. Thank you for being a sane voice in an increasingly chaotic world!

  5/24/17, 8:55 AM
Mike said...

  John,
  Thank you for these eleven years of thought provoking essays. That is a quite a lot of work you've done and shared with us. Your unusual perspective on things helped me greatly in broadening my thinking and expanding my understanding of the world we live in. It spurred my own reading on related subjects by others that of which and whom I was unaware. For that I am indebted to you. In your new pursuits will you be revisiting what a future ecotechnic society might be like? I'm not sure how that fits into your plans.
  Thanks again,
  Michael Velik

  5/24/17, 8:58 AM
Wendy said...

  Thanks so much for all you've posted here, and looking forward to all that you crank out going forward!

  5/24/17, 9:57 AM
ViewFromHere said...

  Thanks for the update Mr. Greer. I have to admit that I'm heartsick to hear that The Archdruid Report will no longer be available on the internet. I've come back to this well time and again. I like to search and find ideas that you've put out in the world over the past 11 years. But change is inevitable. My very best wishes to you in all the future endeavors. Kathy

  5/24/17, 11:03 AM
AGL said...

  Adding my gratitude to the mix. I'm strangely heartbroken to learn the ADR will disappear. And eager to join you and the rest over at the new project. Deep bow and hat tip to you.

  5/24/17, 1:03 PM
AGL said...

  +1 t the comments regarding the community of commenters. I mostly lurked. But the conversations that followed each post were extraordinary. A magnificent accomplishment. Shame to see them disappear too.

  5/24/17, 1:06 PM
Nestorian said...

  JMG,
  So did you move, or are you still in Cumberland?
  With respect, I think there is more to be said still about collapse, if only because constantly changing current events continuously alter the context within which collapse is occurring - often in ways that create doubt about its reality.
  Thanks to the stock market, ginned-up economic numbers that are pervasively broadcast, certain important mistakes made by the Peak Oil movement in prediction, and persistent enclaves of relatively stable affluence, it remains possible for many people to continue believing that collapse isn't real, that Peak Oil isn't real, that system-threatening fiscal instability isn't real, that growth really will return to 3% so as to enable a long-term resolution of the US federal debt crisis, etc.
  With all that being true, I hope your future endeavors will continue to retain a significant place for sheer collapse-related commentary and discussion.

  5/25/17, 6:21 AM
john john said...

  When I brought up the existence of a bioregional movement that might be a way forward, some years ago, your reply was that I should keep posted. Well, I am still here and enjoyed every moment of the wait.
  Bioregional Animism, the website created by Little Lightning Bolt was also a favourite haunt of mine, however it has since gone off line without an archive.
  I look forward to your hardcopy collection.
  Thank for your work
  all our relations
  john john

  5/25/17, 1:31 PM
Shane W said...

  I think the ADR going dark is good practice for the post digital future, when the internet goes back to being institutional only. Fingers crossed, I'm hoping that this is within five years, due to overall economic headwinds, instability of the power grid, and problems w/revenue and profitability of the internet's ad dependent economic model. Also, as far as collapse is concerned, we're pretty much at the point where Mephistopheles drags Faustus down into hell. Of all the people I've referred to the this site over the years, and I'm judicious about who I share it with, not one person grabbed hold of it and ran with it as if they'd struck gold. With all due respect JMG, it's probably just a fart in a tornado at this point as people pause for a moment and go back to Trump and Russia bashing.

  5/25/17, 1:42 PM
Clay Dennis said...

  JMG,
  I too have been a reader of your blog for most of its history, I think I first began following you when I picked up your book " The Long Descent" when it first came out and was on the shelf of Borders ( seems like ions ago such things were availible in actual book stores). I am the same age as you and a native of the Northwest. I can't speculate on your reasons for changing your focus and format, but like you I can feel a change in the air. We are on the cusp of a turning that has been a long time coming but seems very near now, and it is probably time for all of us to make become more focused.

  5/25/17, 4:41 PM
Little Al said...

  Whatever you do JMG, please keep writing. You are a breath of reality in a world gone mad.

  5/26/17, 9:17 AM
Jasmine said...

  Dear Mr Greer
  I am glad to hear that the arch druid blog is to appear in print, a format which will be for more durable than the internet. However I want to make an urgent plea for you to keep the arch druid blog on the internet, even it this is in a read only archive. I am sorry if what follows is too long but I thinks its important.
  I first became aware of peak oil in 2008 and since then I have followed the thinking and fortunes of the peak oil movement closely. I have read much that is of value in writers such as Mr Kunstler, Mr Heinberg and Mr Orlov, but you are different from them because you have a background in history, philosophy and religion, which has given you a deeper insight into the cultural, psychological and spiritual forces that have driven our civilisation into this crisis and prevented it from backing away from it. To paraphrase an old Heineken advert, you reach the parts which other writers cannot reach and you have had an invaluable influence on the peak oil movement. It was your writing that helped to steer it away from the notion of an apocalyptic fast collapse and to see that collapse is likely to be a slow drawn out process of crisis followed by period of partial recovery and then another crisis. The events that followed 2008 have proved you correct.
  The peak oil movement has taken a real knocking since the shale boom, but it is still going. You can see that in my country in the continued existence of the dark mountain project and the Transition movement. It is likely that there will be another oil crisis and financial crash in the next few years, which will spark another surge oil interest in peak oil and the limits to growth. I think this surge of interest will be much greater than 2008 because the old political order is collapsing and millions will be looking on the internet to find out the reason why we are in this dilemma and I am sure that many will will find references to the arch druid report and when they try to find it, it won’t be there. I know you will have a new web site, but I understand it isn't going to be dealing with peak oil and the collapse of industrial civilisation. All that great wisdom you have accumulated on the internet over 10 year will be lost and you will have lost the chance to influence the new generation of peak oilers.

  5/26/17, 9:20 AM
Jasmine said...

  I know that your blog will be available in print. However the only reason thousands of people have been influenced by your views and gone out to buy your books is because they could read your blog for free on the internet. This was certainly the case with me. In 2008 I was curious and wanted to know more, but was not yet convinced that industrial civilisation was collapsing. I was in a boring job and used to spend the lunchtime going through your weekly blogs from 2006 and 2007. If your blog was not available for free, then I would not have been influenced by you and you would be poorer as I would never have brought any of your books and I am sure that there are thousands who would say the same. Your blog was the bait that hooked my money and brought it into your bank account.
  Because our political consensus has been broken I think that the next few years are going to be vital in determining the course our civilisation takes in the ongoing collapse. Our society has suddenly become malleable as millions have started looking for a new way of thinking. It is vital that you do all you can to strike while the iron is hot and influence as many people as you can. This is why it is vital that the arch druid report stays on the internet so that its wisdom can influence anyone who goes in search of it. Of course I’m aware that the internet will one day go and that it is too late to save out industrial civilisation. But there is still a hell of a lot we can do to cushion the descent and save a lot of things and ideas that will be of value to future generation and keeping the Arch Druid Blog on the internet will play a vital part in it. So please, I implore you to do your karmic duty and keep your blog on the net.
  PS: The collapse of the old political order is well under way in this country. We had Brexit last year and I hear today that Corbyn is only 5% behind Teresa May in the election. When the election started Corbyn was 20% behind May and all the commentators were convinced that the Labour would be wiped out. And this poll was taken after the Manchester terrorist attack which you would think benefit the conservatives. I still think May is likely to win, but the fact that Corbyn is only 5% behind is astounding. The way in which the press have lambasted him as a left wing nutcase is incredible, but people don't seem to be listening any more

  5/26/17, 9:22 AM
Jennie said...

  Salutations from Iowa, I've been reading this blog since it started.
  Standing by and excited to read anything you care to write. I've got my small vegetable farm, with a loose group of pagan-ish/gaia-worshipers. We're struggling to coalesce as a community though. And we're not the only group struggling to make it to the other side of that bridge.
  It will be odd to not have my Thursday Archdruid date. But I've adjusted ok this spring. :-D
  Maybe I'll buy the box set to appease the urge. :-D
  As always, take care, and if you find yourself in Iowa, I've got food and shelter to share.
  -Jennie

  5/26/17, 9:24 AM
Darren said...

  Thanks JMG, I've enjoyed reading nothing more and intend following you to the other side..... oh, and thanks for Green Wizardry. Another informative read....

  5/26/17, 2:51 PM
Mike Warot said...

  While I fully support your right to do with your creations what you wish, the act of deleting this whole thing from the internet feels wrong. Thanks for the wisdom you've shared.

  5/26/17, 10:07 PM
Setik said...

  Dear Mr Greer, thank you.
  You took me to places I had no idea existed. I started to read your blog around 2010 I think, I was a corporate IT technician back then, a city dweller, and now I live on my coutnry border under a shabby but debt-free roof with garden blossming arround it. Im learning seedkeeping and beekeeping to make living. Im half way there. No car, no telly, just sun, rain and bees. Loneliness, but completely differnet loneliness then in a city. Manageable lonelinesa for a man is at least a bit useful here.
  The push I needed came from you and Nicole Foss mostly. And for that I am forever thankful.
  So thank you for writing this amazing blog. With the exception of retrotopia Ive red great most of. I started it from begining.
  I wish you very best luck, I will try to keep up. Religiosity is not my thing though. Spirituality maybe, but .. when it gets stuff nailed to it.. well, not so much.
  Jan

  5/26/17, 10:51 PM
JoHio said...

  JM you are fiercely missed. Any news from the mountaintop for the faithful?

  5/27/17, 4:36 AM
Mister Roboto said...

  Also, as far as collapse is concerned, we're pretty much at the point where Mephistopheles drags Faustus down into hell. Of all the people I've referred to the this site over the years, and I'm judicious about who I share it with, not one person grabbed hold of it and ran with it as if they'd struck gold.
  Men's rights activists (MRAs) have appropriated the term "red-pilled" from the movie The Matrix for converts to their particular point of view. But I say forget about third-wave feminism or men's rights activism, The Archdruid Report was the real red pill!

  5/27/17, 5:33 AM
Iuval Clejan said...

  JMG, Can you please preserve the comments somehow in an archive?

  5/27/17, 1:16 PM
Adrian Smith said...

  Well, that's a couple of hours of "Save Page As" I'm never going to get back, but thanks for the heads up.

  5/28/17, 3:54 AM
Shane W said...

  IDK, I think nothing symbolizes more the ephemeral, fleeting, and surreal nature of the internet more than shutting down the ADR, while leaving only a hardcopy. I really appreciate the symbolism of the true nature of the internet and the reality of the post digital future.

  5/28/17, 5:25 AM
susan said...

  Hello again, Mr. Greer
  I want to make one more appeal to you regarding your intention to remove the ADR from its current place on the internet - a purely selfish one on my part, but likely a circumstance that doesn't just affect me. As a retired person who depends on a fixed income for my living here in Canada it will be difficult, if not impossible, to both purchase and shelve ten volumes of the printed total of the ADR blog posts.
  Your work here has made a big difference to the lives of so many people in how we interpret the culture at large. The comment sections have blossomed as your readers have met to discuss the issues and their own solutions to the practicalities of dealing with the altered circumstances we face. Losing all that seems a terrible waste.
  Despite the fact there will be a printed version of ADR for those who will be able to maintain copies in the future, I hope you will reconsider keeping the current Report online either here or as an archive at your new website.
  Once again, I offer my thanks for all you've done,
  Susan

  5/28/17, 5:44 AM
Jasmine said...

  Dear Mr Greer
  I hope you don’t mind if I add a couple more reasons for keeping the arch druid report on the internet, even if it is a read only archive.
  I understand that your new blog will be looking at the emergence of a new fusion of ecology and religion as a way of life and a spiritual practice. The emphasis of the new blog will be different from the arch druid blog. However you will often have to refer to ideas and themes from arch druid blog. and that might mean going back to basics and repeating things that you have already gone into detail about on the arch druid blog. Surely it would make your life as a writer much easier if you could avoid this and just refer to the relevant post from the arch druid. Why would you want to waste time rewriting what you have already written. It would also make your life easier when having to reply to commentators if you can just put a link to a relevant post not he arch druid blog.
  In order to understand the need of a new fusion between ecology and religion it is first necessary to understand all the ideas and themes that you have so extensively covered in the arch druid report. The arch druid blog is the school you have go to before you can go to the university of your new blog. Those of us who have been reading the arch druid blog for years or have a good knowledge of this stuff from other sources, probably have no need of if any more. But there are thousands who may come across the arch druid blog in the future and be influenced by it and then move onto your new blog. Of course if the arch druid blog in no longer there, then this will not happen.

  5/28/17, 9:31 AM
NZ said...

  JMG- Thanks for the post outlining your future endeavors. I hope you will stay in the public eye sharing your observations and wisdom. I will always seek out your work. It has helped me greatly in making a more productive and secure future for myself and my family. Once again, many thanks for your work. Thanks for the new website.
  Coming to terms with what sustainability and spirituality mean in the world is where we are at. Spiritual strength will be the primary means of survival and health. It is the light that shines in the endless darkness. It cannot be a spirituality based on conquest.
  The written word is so very important. Artifacts and art that give meaning and understanding to the world are also important. The architects of modern industrial society have lost control of their creations, and their promises for the future have fallen short. Their promises are illusions.
  Finding a spiritual home is what humanity seeks. Finding being more important than endlessly seeking. Phase changes happen in jumps. Understanding and wisdom happen in jumps. Evolution is a beautiful phenomenon. Moving thru time from one form to another. How very beautiful.
  All the best.

  5/28/17, 9:38 AM
Nestorian said...

  I would like to second the petition to keep thearchdruidreport available online - with comments included - for as long as the vagaries of required technology will permit, for all the reasons previously cited.
  Even though I am sadly compelled to part ways with you, JMG, on matters of ultimate religious import, I too have found your blog - with its comments section - an immensely valuable resource over the years, and it would be a great pity to have it vanish abruptly.
  It also pains me greatly that my Judeo-Christian religious confreres are for the most part unwilling to take your ideas seriously, now that the economic non-recovery that has unfolded since 2008 has successfully been sold as such to too many people eager to believe that particular falsehood.
  But that will change eventually, and, as was said by other posters, it would be immensely valuable to have your original blog available as an electronic archive - with comments - once that day comes to pass, possibly even in the near future.
  I know that you are trying to influence unfolding developments for the better by propogating your ideas; please do not underestimate the long-term effect you could have in this way merely by leaving up thearchdruidreport as an electronic archive. Indeed, in the long run, merely leaving thearchdruidreport on the web could prove to be the single most potent step you could take to ensure your ideas are widely circulated when it really counts - during the next coming phase of precipitous, and therefore undeniable, rapid decline.
  Eventually, of course, the internet will go dark anyhow; however, this is likely to happen as a result and in the wake of the next severe crisis of global civilization, and not in advance of it. So your archived blog is very likely to remain widely available while it really counts, if you leave it up.

  5/29/17, 8:13 AM
Martin B said...

  I shall miss your weekly doses of thought-provoking sanity.
  I don't know if it's the sort of thing you'll be discussing in your ecology and religion posts, but as a recent gardener I've been struck by the fact that plants try really hard to grow. Give them the right conditions and they'll flourish; but even if you don't or can't give them exactly what they need, they'll still battle against adversity to reach maturity. It's been a bit of a lesson for me in my own conduct.

  5/29/17, 1:55 PM
Maxine Rogers said...

  Hi Everyone,
  I am a bit surprised by the direction JMG has taken as I thought we were already doing just that. At least, I certainly was. It all just seemed obvious and logical after reading TADR for a while.
  I just built my first hay box this morning out of a cardboard box, quite a lot of sheep's wool, a cotton liner and a pillow filled with more sheep's wool. I have also reduced the time I have my washing machine operating for from 54 to 28 minutes and am getting my clothes cleaner. The trick in this case is to soak the clothes overnight in a tub of hot soapy water with a bit of borax in it. The clothes get wrung out and popped into the washing machine and the soak water goes on the grass in my Sacred Grove.
  Looking forward to the journey to the heart of Hobbiton with the TADR gang.
  Yours under the red cedars,
  Max Rogers

  5/29/17, 3:21 PM
casamurphy said...

  Thank you for the Archdruid Report and especially thank you for the heads up in regards to its pending destruction. This gives your fans time to go there and create pdf's of their favorite posts including comments. I too have bookmarked your new site and will see you on the other side.

  5/29/17, 4:24 PM
James Baxendale said...

  Thanks for all your wonderful writing over the years of this blog. So many paradigm shifting ideas brought to life and I think you have thoroughly succeeded in making it clear how important understanding and accepting the history of the rise and fall of past civilizations is going to be if modern industrialized civilization is to pivot to a less violent relationship with the environment (a phrase Fritz Schumacher used often).
  I would like to add my voice to those requesting that you keep a read-only copy of the Archdruid Report on line for many of the same reasons. Like so many others it was through the results of a google search (in my case about any association between Stoicism, cardinal values and Fritz Schumacher) that led me quite by accident to a post of yours http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com.au/2013/05/the-rock-by-lake-silvaplana.html and your writing immediately drew me in.
  No one else was tackling the mix of the questions of faith and values as bound inside the history of ideas, mixed with philosophy amid a discussion of a future of constrained resources in the way that particular post was. I was immediately hooked and have read back through all the posts over the years.
  I look forward to being able to purchase the book version of the Archdruid Report once it is available and yet still think it will be a great shame if others loose the chance to stumble upon the wisdom embodied in your blog posts coupled with the comments sections where you have done a great job of clarifying any confusion your readers may have encountered in the same way I was fortunate enough to do.

  5/29/17, 5:50 PM
Ien in the Kootenays said...

  That sounds interesting. The religion to which I would like to belong is struggling to be born. This may be part of it. But really, why delete what we have here on Blogspot? Can't it just be archived as is? Anyway, blessings from a blossoming hillside.

  5/29/17, 9:15 PM
Donald Hargraves said...

  Actually I get why the Archdruid Report should solely survive in minds and on paper – if the internet is just a shaky structure that's weaker than everyone wants to know, time to change how people find out about it.
  One thing I've noticed recently is that a lot of news sites have started fundraising and/or walling content off. While I'm of the mind that that should have happened much earlier, that it's beginning to develop in earnest shows the old internet ideal is become threadbare – and weaknesses may show sooner, not later.

  5/30/17, 6:29 AM
John Michael Greer said...

  Many thanks to everyone for their comments and encouragement! The new blog site at www.ecosophia.net is coming along well -- between me and my hardworking IT person, most of the construction has been done, and a little further tweaking ought to have it ready for regular posting come the solstice. My Dreamwidth account at ecosophia.dreamwidth.org is also live, with a couple of posts up and more to follow.
  I understand that a lot of people would rather have this blog stay up; it would undoubtedly be more convenient for many. For a variety of reasons, though, that's not workable from my end, and sometime in the second half of June -- date not yet certain, but quite possibly as early as the solstice -- down it goes. I'd encourage those of you who are upset by this to consider it as a dry run for the much broader loss of access to resources of all kinds you can expect in the years ahead.
  We've all gotten used to the idea that big impersonal institutions will take care of the job of providing us with the things we need and want. That's a strategy with an increasingly short shelf life these days. As we proceed further down the slope of decline, more and more often, if you want to be sure that something is going to stay around, you will have to see to that yourself, individually or as part of a group of people. Nobody else is going to do it for you.
  I've already noted that I have no objection to people copying the material on this blog elsewhere on the web. I'll take that another step. If one or more of you are willing to go to the trouble of copying all 543 posts plus comments and posting them somewhere else on the internet, drop me a comment marked "not for posting" and we'll see what we can arrange. Fair enough? If those who want to see this content remain online are willing to put in the sweat involved, we can probably work something out. If not? Well, them's the breaks.

  5/30/17, 7:30 AM
Matt said...

  Hi JMG,
  looking forward to the new venture(s), my shoulder-atheist is getting the collywobbles at the mention of religion. Bring it on!
  On the Not For Publication bit: I would happily host the pages on my Amazon account. I can't promise it would last forever, but hey...
  Do you have a dump of ADR that would be easier to work with, or would it involve pulling it page by page off blogspot?
  Matt

  5/30/17, 7:56 AM
xilo said...

  I´m making a back up for offline use with winhttrack, it´s currently about 4Gb but I´m going to cut much fluff. I know nothing about posting online but I am willing to torrent it. Getting my paws on your physical books is going to be complicated so at least I thought I should read the back archive.
  My thanks to you Mr. Greer.
  Sincerely X
  P. D. Have you read R. D. Laing´s Knots?, many of your exposition remind me of that book.

  5/30/17, 1:18 PM
Shane W said...

  JMG, please tell us the day you are going to take down the ADR, so we can go to our local brewery, or get some Bourbon or Scotch, and celebrate Archfdruidrepocalypse! We'll do it in full 2012 fashion! Considering how much you've discussed fauxpocalypse here, it's the least we can do! I encourage ALL green wizard guilds to celebrate Archdruidrepocalypse!

  5/30/17, 4:31 PM
Librarian of Hillman said...

  Thank you. Have enjoyed this forum for thought since...gosh - 2005 ish?! I've found the Well of G blog even more personally of interest and use these days so am glad to know that will be closer to where you are going next and to probably somewhat misquote Rumi: there is a field somewhere out there beyond our old ideas of right-doing and wrong-doing...i hope to meet you (and many others) there!

  5/30/17, 4:43 PM
temporaryreality (Wendy) said...

  JMG,
  Regarding my comment on Galabes, in which I suggested the relatively simple fix of deleting each post's text, substituting a "this content can be found at ____" line, disabling further comments yet leaving all comment-threads intact would allow folks to find the posts (and support you by purchasing them) AND read the existing comments without any need for further moderation or effort on your part -- this would be something worthy of delegation if you have someone you trust with your password/login credentials.
  This could reduce the sweat of potential helpers who would otherwise need to copy each thread individually.
  You're absolutely right, JMG, that your time is better spent elsewhere, but perhaps you have a trusted comrade who could do this for you?
  Sorry if this appears to be re-hashing something that you've already decided against.

  5/30/17, 8:16 PM
Greenseeker36 said...

  So glad to hear about your new direction of religion and ecology. Have followed the works of Thomas Berry, for some time and will be very interested to see where your discussions go.

  5/30/17, 10:23 PM
Peter Wilson said...

  Kia Ora Everyone,
  For those wanting to download this archive and comments before it sadly disappears, the nice folks that made up the basic set of Linux utilities provided a way, using the venerable wget application. JMG might appreciate that simplicity. There are instructions here in case people want to have a play:
  http://www.dheinemann.com/2011/how-to-use-wget-to-archive-a-blogspot-blog/
  I hope JMG doesn't mind people who want to retain the comments having a crack to do so.

  5/31/17, 3:51 AM
Pavel said...

  Hello, JMG.
  Since you have no objection to people putting material from your blog elsewhere on the web, would you also agree if I translated some of your narratives and put them on web? With the appropriate credits, of course.
  Pavel

  5/31/17, 4:12 AM
Adrian Smith said...

  The html I've saved only comes to 222 Mb, I'll happily put it up somewhere once I've figured out how to dig the dates out of the posts to build a master contents page (rusty coding skills etc).

  5/31/17, 5:40 AM
MCB said...

  If you would like to make a copy of the blog for your personal use, you can do this fairly easily from a linux command line or from the Terminal on a Mac. For windows you'd need to install something like cygwin
  This command downloads a copy of the site to your local disk by following all the links from the parent on that site. The little '&' sign at the end runs that task non interactively - which is important if you want to stop the download from becoming massive.
  wget -r --no-parent http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/ &
  The next command deletes multiple copies of each page that are created due to following comments links. You should keep running this every 10 minutes or so whilst the site is downloading to clear out the spurious pages, or if you have many GB of free disk space, then you can run it once at the end.
  find thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/ -type f -name '*showComment*' -delete
  Finally you can then archive it all up into a single compressed file using:
  tar cvzf thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com.tar.gz thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/
  You can repeat the process using galabes.blogspot.com/ for the Well of Galabes site.
  MCB

  5/31/17, 5:42 AM
Peter Wilson said...

  Sorry, after my last comment I realised it would only take about 45 minutes to download all 11 years of the ADR through simple clicking. That's the approach I recommend for others.

  5/31/17, 6:46 AM
Unknown said...

  I have been reading you for many, many years and am excited for your transition!
  Would you consider writing for The Baffler or Current Affairs? They might be great hosts to your jaundiced and idiosyncratic perspective.

  5/31/17, 7:32 AM
TeeCee said...

  I have been hoping for a continuation of your discussion on the philosophy of Schopenhauer. I really felt that you were getting to the heart of something really meaningful - at least to me, and I must assume you as well.
  It seems that line of discussion / inquiry has halted mid stream - at least here.
  Will you / have you continued that elsewhere? I truly value your insight on all that you have shared through the years.
  Best wishes in you future endeavors! I will be following ( and supporting ! ).

  5/31/17, 8:29 AM
Chris Smith said...

  I've bookmarked your new site and readily await content. Until then, I got a pleasant surprise in the mail last week in the form of "The Weird of Hali: Kingsport."

  5/31/17, 8:44 AM
Anna said...

  All the best in the new venture! Sounds like a fascinating direction . . .

  5/31/17, 12:33 PM
Esn said...

  @JMG, I'm very glad to read that you don't object to an Archdruid Report archive staying accessible online in some way, as long as it's maintained by others. I still haven't read most of your posts (I only started reading you fairly recently), and there are posts that I might want to share with others in the future, so I was trying to figure out what I could do to keep the Report around.
  Over the past week, I spent some time manually submitting every page that wasn't already there (including yearly and monthly pages, and all of the comment pages) to the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine (they have a form that allows people to manually archive online pages). Although their system seems to be buggy and it wasn't always clear that something was actually archived after I submitted the form, I did some checking just now and I think they're finally all there.
  I then realized that it may not be a good idea to rely on other institutions still being around in the future (as you say), and tried to make an archive of the site on my own computer using WinHTTrack. I stopped it partway through because it was getting pretty big - a whole gigabyte, while I only have 2GB left on my hard drive. Perhaps there's something I can change in the settings to have it take up less space... I suspect that it's either duplicating a lot of image data or following some links too deeply.
  @Adrian Smith
  How did you get your archive to take up just 222mb?
  One good option for keeping the Report accessible in the future might be to create a lean archive of the site and then turn it into a public torrent/magnet link. That way, it should be accessible as long as the internet is around and at least one person who has the archive on their computer is still online.

  6/1/17, 6:09 PM
frozenthunderbolt said...

  So glad to see your new blog will be up soon Mr Greer. I have truly missed, and am mourning in advance the loss of your collected e-writings.
  I will endeavor to add you ADR volumes to my not-inconsiderable library to be perused along side many of your other theosophical and philosophical works, though I shudder to think what it may cost to purchase them and have them shipped to NZ.
  Maybe I can recommend them as a purchase for my (not so local) public library.
  @ all commentators - I have updated JMG's Wikipedia page to warn that the ADR will be removed imminently, and have added the link to EcoSophia.
  If anyone successfully hosts a mirror/archive of TADR and/or TWOG please update the Wikki page to reflect this: I think we all agree that these writings are too valuable to loose.

  6/2/17, 3:25 PM

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